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A world without religion


I'm not sure if this is the right place for this, please move it.

I mentioned elsewhere that some of the latest science is achieving the most unbelievable success with proving that all the science and philosophy about where we came from and where we are going is true and even more easily measurable with every test. For instance they are now able to pinpoint exactly when the 'BIg Bang' happened and when the first creatures walked out of the oceans and when the first people first stood upright.

Then there is more and more being proved about man's origins and the evolution of life to the point where scientists are able to prove the colours of dinosaur skin, something that has evaded them because fossils aren't in colour, well not exactly at least.

So what happens when the irrefutable proof is there and religion is finally relegated to mythology and all developed people accept that it is simply silly to believe in God and religious dogma?

What effect would this change to a scientific and secular world have on our society? What do you see as the effect and why do you feel that way?
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Religion or beleif in God(whatever you want to call it) isn't going anywhere as long as humans walk this earth.Not ever.Religous statistics is actually on the rise.Especially Buddism.That's all I have to say.

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That of course could also be due to a higher birthrate among Buddhists. A lot of Chinese people, who've had a one-child policy for a long time, are now beginning to ignore the rule and have more children - what's the state going to do, kill the newborn? The Chinese are both Shinto and Buddhist so that could explain an increase in Buddhism.
Also it's becoming more popular as more and more people are realising that Judeo-Christianity is mythology and are switching to Buddhism is has a basis in some reality.
Imagine a world where people are more highly educated in the sciences and where science's theories become more widely accepted because they are more and more provable, what would happen to all the churches, imagine a world without priests.
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I'm away from home visiting my family at the moment. One of the things we do is to debate the world and philosophy about various things in the world.
The subject of this thread came up in one of our discussions.
The son I'm staying with is a teacher- high school level to grade 12. He says that religion is necessary for young children, possibly because of the way children's minds work, death is extremely frightening to them and the death of their parents one of the worst things they can imagine. I suppose in the same way that parents fear their children dying prematurely.
He says that for this reason, religion is a comfort. The idea that if mum or dad get killed, that they are 'in heaven' helps a child to accept it when something like that happens and particularly when the child's intellectual level is lower than normal.
He says that when he was teaching at a 'special needs' school, atheism was a huge problem for the children who were terrified when one of their parents became ill.
He also thinks that it is necessary for people who are not over-endowed intellectually that there is a purpose in a world they don't understand. I suppose to some extent he is right. Is it not better to let a person living in tribal New Guinea or the Amazon forests believe that there are gods, than to deprive them totally of those gods and then also in the same way deprive them of their ancient culture and way of life.
Isn't that after all exactly what the settlers in Africa did (for example) and look at the mess the continent is now where before the Europeans came there was a perfectly working culture with belief in the gods and ancestors etc.
So perhaps it's not completely feasible to deprive everybody of religion.
Any thoughts?
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He says that for this reason, religion is a comfort. The idea that if mum or dad get killed, that they are 'in heaven' helps a child to accept it when something like that happens and particularly when the child's intellectual level is lower than normal.





What if that child or a teenager knows that one of his parents aren't "in heaven?"What comfort do they get out of that?



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lol Elim. I can hear MO's reply before she even writes it. emoticon

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Really?What do you think her reply is going to be? emoticon

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something along the lines of religon being the security blanket of an undeveloped mind.


MO, you do know Elim and I are picking at you the way friends pick at each other. emoticon

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quote:

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quote:

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He says that for this reason, religion is a comfort. The idea that if mum or dad get killed, that they are 'in heaven' helps a child to accept it when something like that happens and particularly when the child's intellectual level is lower than normal.





What if that child or a teenager knows that one of his parents aren't "in heaven?"What comfort do they get out of that?




That child eventually and inevitably sees through this heaven & hell bs and grows up to be me. They accept that this is, as far as you and I know, the only life we're ever going to get and they appreciate it, and their loved-ones, all the more for that.

Oh, they may ask how someone could be in paradise without having their cherished spouse with them - how someone could enjoy heaven while their atheist father is in hell being tortured, but they'll eventually get tired of the empty answers and/or empty stares they receive and eventually give up on religion altogether (which is a very good thing for both them and the rest of the planet).

I actually have no idea how MO will answer. I just couldn't resist giving mine.

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quote:

Morwen Oronor wrote:

He says that for this reason, religion is a comfort. The idea that if mum or dad get killed, that they are 'in heaven' helps a child to accept it when something like that happens and particularly when the child's intellectual level is lower than normal.





What if that child or a teenager knows that one of his parents aren't "in heaven?"What comfort do they get out of that?





How would the kid know that?
I would like to think that all young children think that if their parents die, that they become angels who watch over them while they sleep and protect them from harm. Why would a child even imagine that a loved parent is not in heaven?
If a child knows that the parent was a really awful person, like the child of a murderer, they would, if they were a stable ordinary kid believe that the parent is in heaven, if not then the kid is seriously screwed up.

Kids brought up without religion? Even those believe that gran or grandpa are 'in heaven'. I've never had to deal with that one personally so I don't know when grandparents died in our family the kids were told 'grandpa died' or 'gran died' end of story. The kids mostly said "I'll miss him/her" and then talked about what they remembered, I never had a child of mine say "where do people go when they die? " because we never told them about God or heaven or hell or prayers or anything like that.

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