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Recently, on the jref (James Randi Educational Foundation) forum on religion and philosophy, in a thread titled "Biblical plagiarism," a poster said he'd found a video about how Christianity was nothing more than plagiarized pagan myth. While I would agree that almost the entire narrative of New Testament is myth. that myth is a mix of Jewish messianism of the first century, references back to the miracles worked by Moses, Elijah and Elisha and some pagan material. However, since the poster said the video was rational, without the hysteria and conspiracy theory aspects of the viral (an appropriate word) Internet film Zeitgeist, decided to watch it.

The video, titled The Naked Truth, was narrated, for the most part, by a guy named Jordan Maxwell. It was in 12 episodes and developed its theme rather slowly; so, I didn't get it's drift until episode 5, by which time Maxwell had asserted that the parallels between Horus and Jesus included Horus being born of a virgin, having 12 disciples and being baptized by Anup the baptizer. None of this is true. Isis, the mothr of Horus reassembled the dismembered corpse of Osiris and, in the form of a bird, copulated with it. Since she had to substitute a wooden phallus for that of Osiris, which a fish had eaten, it's possible, but quite stretch, to infer a virgin berth for Horus. As to the 12 disciples and "Anup the Baptizer" these appear to have been the inventions of Gerald Massey, a brilliant, but idiosyncratic nineteenth century amateur Egyptologist.

All of this seemed eerily familiar, but it wasn't until Maxwell got to episode 5 that he brought up the 16 crucified saviors antedating Jesus and the assertion that all religion was "astrotheological" and based on the Zodiac that it became obvious that this was exactly the same as Part I of Zeitgeist. Yes, Jesus, like Osiris and Dionysus, was a dying and rising god. There are also other pagan aspects to the gospels, particularly in Luke's nativity. However, there were not 16 crucified saviors before Jesus, nor is all religion based on the Zodiac.

When I went to the website showing The Naked Truth, another video by Jordan Maxwell was featured there, called The Matrix of Power. It began with the assertion that political differences between Democrats and Republicans are all a sham, that unseen hands control society and that the fraternity of those is control is . . . the FREEMASONS!!!!!
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There seems to be a cluster of beliefs held in common by the Zeitgeist / Maxwell crowd, and others. These may include any mix of the following:

1) Christianity is a deliberate reformatting of astrotheological religion foisted on us to give the Roman Empire and its successors control over our lives.

2) Through organizations such as the Federal Reserve Board, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, etc., Some nefarious behind-the-scenes bunch, possibly the Freemasons, are actually running the show. Those who seem to be running the government are just shills manipulated by the real rulers lurking behind the scenes.

3) The nefarious "Trilats" controlling the human race by managing our money and brainwashing us through such organizations as the Roman Catholic Church are themselves in service to the real masters: extraterrestrial beings, the descendants of the e.t.'s who first came to earth in ancient times and genetically manipulated mor primitive species of hominids to create Homo sapiens - us - as their servants.

I've listed the sets of beliefs in this order, because each is a further step into paranoia. Accepting that the Roman Empire foisted Christianity on its subjects as a means of control isn't that far from the truth, although it's simplistic. As to Christianity being reformatted "astrotheological" religion that's nonsense. While the life of Jesus portrayed in the gospels is fiction, it is a fiction based on a mix of Jewish messianism, reformatting of miracles attributed in the Hebrew scriptures to Moses, Elijah and Elisha, and pagan elements. It was not a deliberate fiction invented by the ailing Roman Empire. Rather, Constantine used it as a unifying force to hold the empire together.

Once someone has accepted the more simplistic version of the Roman manipulation of Christianity, which was done out in the open, one is set up to accept the conspiracy theory of arcane brotherhoods of elitists manipulating the power structures of the world.

Not all the conspiracy theorists will go all the way to the E.T. scenario. However, it usually isn't accepted directly by people not exposed to initially less absurd conspiracies.
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It sounds to me like someone has been reading too much Erich Von Danniken. Had they watched Stargate instead, they would have known that the E.T.'s were Norse and Egyptian gods, not the god of Moses and Abraham. emoticon

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It sounds to me like someone has been reading too much Erich Von Danniken. Had they watched Stargate instead, they would have known that the E.T.'s were Norse and Egyptian gods, not the god of Moses and Abraham. emoticon



Taking another look at Jordan Maxwell, I came across a series of Internet videos titled Forbidden Knowledge. I watched a bit of episode 7 in the series, In which Maxwell starts off with his explanation of Cain saying to God when he's exiled for killing Abel (Gen. 4:14b " . . . whoever finds me will slay me." His take on this is that the others who might kill Cain are "pre-Adamic" hominids, Neanderthals and the like. Adam and Eve are part of an experiment by God (read that as an advanced star traveling extra-terrestrial. He then alludes to the work of another "researcher" of his ilk, to the effect that human beings have been on this planet for billions of years.

The whole thing about where Cain got his wife and who these other people were who Cain thought would kill him, is most easily explained by the likelihood that the Can and Abel story was originally separate from the Eden narrative. In it's simplest form, the story of the Fall was that an unnamed man and woman ate the forbidden fruit, were expelled from the garden and doomed to die, after which the woman gave birth to a son and said what is now place in Gen. 4:25 "God has appointed for me [a] child . . . ."

Maxwell has taken off on one of many oddities of the Bible, made the assumption that the whole thing is a true story and melded it with his own E-T theory.
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Well, it gets worse. I watched episode 1 of "Forbidden Knowledge," which features a guy named Jack Otto. Standing in front of a huge banner bearing the words "Ron Paul for President," Otto gives a garbled, sloppy history of Turkic tribe called the Khazars. First of all he portrays them as evil incarnate. They weren't, but why should mere facts get in the way of rhetoric and tirade? He can't even get his pronunciation right. He calls them KAYzars. Actually, the "Kh" at the beginning of their name is pronounced like a hard "ch" (as in J.S. Bach) a rather gutteral sound. He also has the empahasis on the wrong syllable: It's not KAYzars, but Khu-ZARS. He says their leader was called the "CHAYgan." NO, we was the Khagan (Kah-gan). He also refers to them being defeated by the Swedish Varganians (var-GAN-ee-ans), rather than the Varangians (that's with a soft "G"). Their name derives t=from the old Norse word var, meaning "oath." The Varangians were bands of warriors and traders ho, not being bound by kinship, bound themselves together by solemn oaths. In any case, the power of the Khazars was broken before the Varangians appeared in Russia.

Otto then goes on to say that some of the Khazars moved wast to become the Gypsies. Wrong, wrong, wrong! The Gypsies, who call themselves the Rom originally came from western India and were a tribe of itinerant smiths.

However, this isn't the main meat of Otto's speech. He says the Khazars converted to Judaism - that much is true - in order to appease the pressure from the Russians, who were Orthodox Christians, coming from the north, and the Muslims coming from the south. So they became Jews to avoid being attacked by the Russians if they converted to Islam and by the Muslims if they converted to Christianity. Well this scenario is so full of falsehoods it's hard to know where to start.

First of all, the Khazars were rather a fierce lot. They weren't likely to be cowed into conversion of any sort. The hay day of Khazar power was in the 650s. Though they fought valiantly against the Muslims, the latter defeated them and broke their power in 737. It wasn't until the 800s that the Russian principalities were united and converted to Christianity. One ting that helped the Russians expand was that another Turkic tribe called the Ptzinaks or Pechnegs invaded defeated the Khazars, further weakening them.

Otto asserts that those Khazars not giving rise to the Gypsies, those who had been converted (insincerely) to Judaism, who in fact actually worshiped Satan, moved into Europe. He says that 92% of those people who call themselves Jews aren/t really Jews but are descendants of the Khazars, hence are power-hungry Satan-worshippers. He says they invented a pseudo-Hebrew language called Yiddish. In reality, Yiddish is a form of German spoken by Ashkinazi Jews, just as Ladino is a variant of Spanish spoken by Sephardic Jews.

One of these nasty Khazar-Jews used the emblem of his father's blacksmith shop, a red shield, as his new name, founding the family known as the Rothschilds ('red shields"), wh,o being bloodthirsty Khazars at heart and by descent, are, of course bent on world domination and are part of the New World Order.

If you want to see this racist drivel for yourself google "Forbidden Knowledge." www.youtube.com/watch?v=66zOgVAnIgE&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66zOgVAnIgE&feature=related
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And it keeps getting worse. Without going into excessive detail, in Forbidden Knowledge Parts 2 and 3 Otto tells us the following gems:

The Rothschilds, in league with the Bavarian Illuminati, fomented the French revolution.

The 1812 overture was written in honor of the first of the Rothschilds, who died in 1812.

Abraham Lincoln's original name was Springstien. He was, of course, one of those Khazar Jew-Illuminati types and fomented the Civil War, The slavery issue was just a sham. However, Springstien / Lincoln, worried about the growing power of corporations, becgan to doubt the agenda of the New World Order. So his masters sent in a hit man, ohn Wilkes Booth to assassinate him.

Booth was trained by yet another organization spawned by the Rothschilds and the Illuminati - namely, the Jesuits!

A man named Albert Pike, a Satanist member of the Goden Dawn founded the Ku Klux Klan.

What's bizarre is that people actually believe this crap.
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Well, I started to look at Forbidden Knowledge Part 4. I found that there are different series under this title. Thus, Jack Otto's crap is a whole other line of crap from Jordan Maxwell's crap.

I forgot to mention that, according to Otto, the Russian revolution was also fomented by Baron Rothschild. He had a grudge against one of the czars and vowed to wipe out the entire Romanov family.

Well, I hadn't gotten too far into the video when Otto said World War III would be fomented by the Zionists, who are, of course, part of the New World Order. At that point, bailed. I can only stomach so much of this crap.

The one good thing I can say about Jack Otto is that the ***hole is dead.
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I've got to hand it to you for being able to watch as much as you did.

I clicked on your first link and immediately heard the guy say that God put him here to fight against the new world order. Uh, I'm sorry, but isn't the new world order supposed to be part of God's plan, to signal the 2nd coming of Christ? Never mind the fact that it was all supposed to happen within Jesus's generation...

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. . . . Never mind the fact that it was all supposed to happen within Jesus's generation...



You've got it. In all the quotes from the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke) I'll use those from Matthew (Mt.), since his seem to be the most detailed.

Let's start with Jesus encouraging his disciples to endure persecution (Mt.10:23):

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes.

Next, let's look at Jesus saying that not everybody in his generation would die before he returned (Mt. 16:27, 28):

For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of the Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before the see the Sion of man coming in his kingdom.

Ow let's consider what is referred to as either the Olivet Discourse or the Little Apocalypse. First, let's look at the description of this event (Mt. 24:29 - 31):

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken; then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So, when will this happen? Here's the answer (Mt. 24:34):

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.

Finally, let's look at what the Book of Revelation is supposed to be about (Rev. 1:1a, emphasis added):

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place; . . .

How do people like Hal Lindsey, the late Jack Otto (the guy in the video) and others of this ilk get around these many statements that the world was supposed to end in the generation that knew Jesus? The gymnastics they display would, were they physical, rather than mental, earn them Olympic gold medals.

Jesus coming back before his followers have fled through every town in Israel and some of those standing before him not tasting death before he comes into his kingdom is explained by the miracle of Pentecost and the spread of Christianity. This, of course is a bit of stretch, since Mt. 16:27 describes Jesus coming "with his angels in the glory of the Father. Further, the verse says that something will happen then that sounds a lot like the Last Judgment: ". . . and then he will repay every man for what he has done."

The explanation for the statement that "this generation will not pass away till all these things take place, " referring to all the signs of the end - the sun and moon being darkened, stars falling from the sky, etc. - is explained as a mistranslation. The word in Greek is genea ("generation"), which is very similar to genos meaning "race" or "people." Thus, they claim, the verse means this people, i.e. the Jewish people, will not pass away before the end comes.

That Revelation is supposed to deal with what must "soon take place" is dealt with by "soon" meaning in God's time as opposed to man's, which can mean thousands of years. Of course the word "day" in Genesis 1 still means one of man's 24 hour days, not eons. To fundamentalists time can be long or short depending on the context as they see it. It would appear that they anticipated Einstein's concept of time dialation long before he figured it out.

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It would appear that they anticipated Einstein's concept of time dialation long before he figured it out.


We'd better not let Andy Schlafly read that. Image He already believes that Jesus walking on water was the result of wave-particle duality (read the red text). Image

I agree with everything you just said, but how do they try to excuse Matthew 16:28?

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Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.



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