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I have a question about death and mourning


This is for the believers out there.

If you believe that someone dies and goes to heaven, and that heaven is a far better place than here on earth, then why is there mourning and crying when someone dies. Surely there should be a celebration that the person who has died has gone to heaven?

I would think that mourning is a negative thing. You mourn because you have 'lost' someone who you'll never see again, so surely if you believe in heaven, death should be something to celebrate and mourning the reserve of the people who don't believe in heaven, or hell?
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Re: I have a question about death and mourning


I cannot speak for everyone MO but they are usually sad for three reasons. One they have their own unspoken doubts about heaven or, two, they have unspoken doubts about that the deceased will be in heaven. The third is that while a believer may truly believe that they and the deceased will be in heaven, they mourn the years that they will be a part and not able enjoy the company and relationship that they had while they were living.

Hopefully I am making sense and not leading you down a rabbit hole. emoticon

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Of course not, you always make sense.

I understand what you are saying, but if someone is totally convinced of the afterlife, to the extent that they spend their present life trying to convince everybody else to believe, then surely they would know that their family member who has led a good and honest life is there, especially if, during a session of seeing the 'white light' they actually saw their loved ones?

I just think it's odd that people mourn and conduct huge funerals when they know that this is only a practice run.

About missing the person through the years until their own death, that I understand but again surely death should be something to look forward to and not something to fear, if you believe that there is a life hereafter.

And another question is this one: if death will lead to a better life, then why is suicide a sin?
I can understand that the law regards it as a crime but if there is a better life after death, and the Muslims certainly appear to think so, and they don't regard suicide as a sin, doesn't it make sense then that dying is a better option than living through the struggles of this life?
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Muslims do consider suicide a sin. I think the confusion occurs when they die in a holy war maintaining their faith. I could give you my opinion but I could not accurately represent their faith. Perhaps a someone of that faith can give you a better answer.

As for Christian\Jewish suicide again you would have to be specific in your defining suicide. If I willfully throw myself on a granade to save others have I not committed suicide? Or run out into the steet to save someone while forfeiting my own life? Or as the JWs did in WWII and die maintaing their faith when renouncing one's faith would result in their freedom? But yes I do understand that you speak of the willful destruction of one's life not of the sacrificing of one's life. I am also sure your not speaking of accidental suicide like H Ledger or M Monroe.

The reason "suicide" is a sin is because you are demonstrating a lack of faith in God and murder (even self murder) is against God's law, If I murdered you then I would have the opportunity to feel remorse and repent (understand I am talking about true repentance and not "oophs I got caught" repentance). While it is possible to repent a successful suicide attempt between the time you take a step off the bridge and you hitting the water, many successful suicides do not have that opportunity.


As for your original question, this is the best way I can explain it. Currently my step mother is in a NH. She has severe dementia and while my father cannot care for her, he still sees her almost on a daily basis (the NH is not in the same town as where he lives). He is currently mourning the lost of who his wife was. Each day it gets harder for him to see her because she is less and less of the woman he fell in love with. One day she will die and he will grieve for his loss. But even through he will miss her, he will also be happy that she is no longer suffering and will be comforted in the fact they will be together again. Typically, one mourns for the loss that one feels when someone whom you dearly love dies. One does not mourn for the loved one who has passed on. So one can be sad about the death and comforted at the same time.

Also it needs to be noted that not all Christians believe in the "white light".

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I do want to stress that I'm not being snide when I ask this question.

It's just an observation that people who don't believe in an afterlife tend to be more pragmatic about death, more accepting and even appear to be prepared to talk about it without emotion.

You know the sort of thing I mean. I find that deeply religious people say stuff like "I don't want to talk about it", even when you want to discuss a purely practical issue like a will, yet people who accept that life is all there is and when it's done, it's over, are quite happy to deal with their own mortality.

As I said, just a personal observation.
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I understand MO and these are questions I have also asked. When talking about certain individuals, you need to look at them as individuals and not as a representatives of a collective. I can only speculate that their faith may not be as strong as they would like you to believe. I doubt they are attempting to fool you but themselves. That being said, I can only speculate as I do not have acess to their hearts or minds.

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What is the "white light?"I never heard of that before.

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if you ever see it...


go to it.

I'm assuming the grief is due to believers not being 100% sure of their beliefs like they say they are.

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quote:

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What is the "white light?"I never heard of that before.



MO is talking about people who claim to have a near death experience and believe their spirit/soul goes into a bright light where they see angels and loved ones who have passed on before them.

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Oh, thanks. emoticon

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