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I was just thinking that something that might enrich your experience of the Bible would be to learn Greek and Hebrew. That way, you could read the New Testament in the original Greek, and the Old Testament in the original Hebrew. This may sound rather daunting at first, and I would do it one language at a time. I would start with Greek, since our Roman alphabet was based on the Greek and since it has vowels, which Hebrew doesn't. I have the feeling that this is something you could do.

I'm not sure how you might go about learning the languages. If you find a good course over the internet, let me know. I was going to take these courses myself at a local seminary, but they won't teach them to just anybody. For them, you have to have a mission.

The reason I made this suggestion to you is that I've found my understanding of the biblical texts increased greatly merely by looking up the key words in various biblical passages in the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries at the back of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. Also, I've heard from people who do know the Greek and Hebrew that the difference between reading the Bible in the original languages, rather than in English, is like watching a movie in color as opposed to black and white.

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You have to do this in order to be allowed to enter post-graduate Ancient History courses for that very reason, i.e. to be able to read the ancient works in their original language but you also need Latin, (which you don't need to read the biblical scripts) and it's useful to be able to read Egyptian hieroglyphics too.
Pastor Rick reads Greek and Hebrew. It is a huge undertaking to learn them.
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Thanks for the suggestion.I do keep a Strong's Dictionary of Bible Words on my desk, and use it frequently.I never thought of actually learning Hebrew and Greek myself.

Yes, it does sounds very daunting.And like what you said Morwen, it is a huge undertaking.But I could try.


Well, I got to go to my school work now.

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Well, here's a starter for you (though with me giving you pointers, I have to confess, it's like the blind leading the blind). Do you know why the fish is a Christian symbol? It has to do with the word for "fish in Greek, and it's an acronym.

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I found a lot of articles about the history of the Christian symbol.According to wikipedia, the symbol is called ichthys (as you said the ancient greek word for fish).I learned that ichthys is an acronym for "Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savoir."



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Right.

I -(the Greeks letter iota) Iasos = Jesus
ch (the Greek letter chi) Christos (anointed) = Christ
th (the Greek letter theta) Theos = God (in the possessive, God's)
y (or u. the Greek letter upsilon) usuos (?) = Son
s - (the Greek letter sigma) soter = savior or deliverer

Thus, ichthys (fish) was an acronym for: Jesus Christ, God's son, savior.

Feel like plursuing this further?

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Here is an interesting excerpt from a book written by a friend of mine "Blind Faith" on this subject:

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For many Christians, the "fish" sticker on the back car bumper or attached to a key chain is a proud symbol of their religion that they can show of in public. This symbol is also identified as the "Ichthus”, an acronym from the Greek, "Lesous Christos Theou Uios Soter”, or "Jesus Christ the Son of God, Saviour”. Oxford English Dictionary (CE) defines "Ichthyic" as "of, pertaining to, or characteristic of fishes; the fish world in all its orders".

However, this symbol has its roots in pagan fertility awareness and sexuality. Barbara G. Walker writes in "The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects", that the acronym pertaining to Jesus Christ was a "rationale invented after the fact... Christians simply copied this pagan symbol along with many others". Ichthys was the offspring son of the ancient Sea goddess Atargatis, and was known in various mythic systems as Tirgata, Aphrodite, Pelagia or Delphine. The word also meant "womb" and "dolphin" in some tongues, and representations of this appeared in the depiction of mermaids. The fish is also a central element in other stories, including the Goddess of Ephesus (who has a fish amulet covering her genital region), as well as the tale of the fish that swallowed the penis of Osiris, and was also considered a symbol of the vulva of Isis.

Well before Christianity, the fish symbol was known as "the Great Mother”, a pointed oval sign, the "vesica piscis" or Vessel of the Fish. "Fish" and "womb" were synonymous terms in ancient Greek, "delphos”. Its link to fertility, birth, feminine sexuality and the natural force of women was acknowledged also by the Celts, as well as pagan cultures throughout northern Europe. Eleanor Gaddon traces a "Cult of the Fish Mother" as far back as the hunting and fishing people of the Danube River Basin in the sixth millennium BCE. Over fifty shrines have been found throughout the region, which depict a fishlike deity. A female creature that "incorporates aspects of an egg, a fish and a woman which could have been a primeval creator or a mythical ancestress..." The "Great Goddess" was portrayed elsewhere with pendulous breasts, accentuated buttocks and a conspicuous vaginal orifice, the upright "vesica piscis" which Christians later adopted and rotated 90-degrees to serve as their symbol.



It seems that the sign wasn't invented by Christians but, as with most other symbols and Holy Days, adopted from other ancient mythologies.

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quote:

Tim Callahan wrote:

Right.

I -(the Greeks letter iota) Iasos = Jesus
ch (the Greek letter chi) Christos (anointed) = Christ
th (the Greek letter theta) Theos = God (in the possessive, God's)
y (or u. the Greek letter upsilon) usuos (?) = Son
s - (the Greek letter sigma) soter = savior or deliverer

Thus, ichthys (fish) was an acronym for: Jesus Christ, God's son, savior.

Feel like plursuing this further?

Tim




Sure.


By the way, last night I found a couple of helpful websites.Here are the links:


http://biblegreekvpod.com

http://ibiblio.org/koine/greek/lessons/


Also, I found a few helpful videos on youtube.

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Thanks. I've looked over one ofthem but I will have toget into it in more detail. Perhaps we can trade notes on it.

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Trade notes?What do you mean by that.
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